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'Russian general threatens Poland with attack over US deal'
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A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a US missile defense battery exposes the country to attack, pointing out that Russian military doctrine permits the use of nuclear weapons in such a situation, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile defense battery as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations but that Moscow claims is aimed at weakening Russia.

"Poland, by deploying [the system] is exposing itself to a strike - 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

Interfax said he added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn said that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, according to Interfax.

At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

Tensions between Russia and the West have soared over the brutal fighting that erupted last week between Russian and Georgian forces over the separatist Georgian region of South Ossetia.

Russian forces went deep into Georgia in the fighting, raising wide concerns that Russia could be seeking to occupy parts of its small, pro-US neighbor, which has vigorously lobbied to join NATO, or even to force its government to collapse.

Under the agreement that Warsaw and Washington reached Thursday, Poland will accept an American missile interceptor base.

"We have crossed the Rubicon," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said, referring to US consent to Poland's demands after more than 18 months of negotiations.

Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the US and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed "rogue states" like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force and warns it will worsen tensions.

In an interview on Poland's news channel TVN24, Tusk said the United States agreed to help augment Poland's defenses with Patriot missiles in exchange for placing 10 missile defense interceptors in the Eastern European country.

He said the deal also includes a "mutual commitment" between the two nations to come to each other's assistance "in case of trouble."

That clause appeared to be a direct reference to Russia.

Poland has all along been guided by fears of a newly resurgent Russia, an anxiety that has intensified with Russia's offensive in Georgia. In past days, Polish leaders said that fighting justified Poland's demands that it get additional security guarantees from Washington in exchange for allowing the anti-missile base on its soil.


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fuck russia.

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Never trust a Russian....

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Good, the US are being far too fucking arrogant. Bloody building missile defence systems in other countries, I'd like to see the US give up their soil - the US cares for nobody but itself, where are your troops? In Georgia? No. Yet Georgia has suffered for many reasons, one because Russia dislikes it's alliance with the US...

what fucking alliance?

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Really is possibly the most stupid thing the USA could have continued building considering the current state of things.

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Quote: from boothy at 7:53 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Good, the US are being far too fucking arrogant. Bloody building missile defence systems in other countries, I'd like to see the US give up their soil - the US cares for nobody but itself, where are your troops? In Georgia? No. Yet Georgia has suffered for many reasons, one because Russia dislikes it's alliance with the US...

what fucking alliance?


its a missle defense system that also protects europe aka ur fucking country u prick

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Quote: from boothy at 7:53 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Good, the US are being far too fucking arrogant. Bloody building missile defence systems in other countries, I'd like to see the US give up their soil - the US cares for nobody but itself, where are your troops? In Georgia? No. Yet Georgia has suffered for many reasons, one because Russia dislikes it's alliance with the US...

what fucking alliance?


Well when those other countries allow us to, that's not much different than building a military base on foreign soil. Also, Georgia is not a member of NATO, and thus we aren't bound by treaty to come to their aid, yet Poland is. So the answer to your question is NATO, didn't you learn this stuff in school?

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It really doesn't surprise me. Prepare for more US stupid things done.

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Quote: from jamesish at 7:57 am on Aug. 15, 2008

It really doesn't surprise me. Prepare for more US stupid things done.

How on earth is it a stupid move to place interceptor missiles in an allied nation when Russia has repeatedly shown in the last year that they are as militaristic and war hungry as in the days of the soviet union? Tell me how the hell is that a stupid move?

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Quote: from churnfulkiler at 3:55 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from boothy at 7:53 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Good, the US are being far too fucking arrogant. Bloody building missile defence systems in other countries, I'd like to see the US give up their soil - the US cares for nobody but itself, where are your troops? In Georgia? No. Yet Georgia has suffered for many reasons, one because Russia dislikes it's alliance with the US...  

 what fucking alliance?


its a missle defense system that also protects europe aka ur fucking country u prick

I'm sure the US wouldn't DREAM of putting any form of offensive weaponry there.

cough.

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Quote: from jamesish at 7:57 am on Aug. 15, 2008

It really doesn't surprise me. Prepare for more US stupid things done.
ur an idiot. how is that a stupid action? building a system, that defends our allies from missile attacks?

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Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:00 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from jamesish at 7:57 am on Aug. 15, 2008

It really doesn't surprise me. Prepare for more US stupid things done.
ur an idiot. how is that a stupid action? building a system, that defends our allies from missile attacks?

It isn't there primarily to defend your allies from attack, it's there to cover your own backside from intercontinental nuclear warheads.

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Very good idea

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Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:03 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:00 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from jamesish at 7:57 am on Aug. 15, 2008

It really doesn't surprise me. Prepare for more US stupid things done.
ur an idiot. how is that a stupid action? building a system, that defends our allies from missile attacks?

It isn't there primarily to defend your allies from attack, it's there to cover your own backside from intercontinental nuclear warheads.


either way. is it a bad idea to build a system that can defend our allies OR the usa from missile attacks?..its not an offensive weapon syetm. how the fuck is it a bad idea?

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Quote: from SLynch89 at 10:59 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from jamesish at 7:57 am on Aug. 15, 2008

It really doesn't surprise me. Prepare for more US stupid things done.

How on earth is it a stupid move to place interceptor missiles in an allied nation when Russia has repeatedly shown in the last year that they are as militaristic and war hungry as in the days of the soviet union? Tell me how the hell is that a stupid move?


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