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Quote: from KweenZ at 2:29 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from The Artful Dodger at 12:27 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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israelis should also be grateful to the holocaust, else they wouldn't have a country.

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yes, according to OP's view this is very true..

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Yes it is.  Shall I make another topic about it, or will you admit that good results can come from bad actions?

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What bothers me is how you say 'grateful' though. Good results can come from bad actions, just as bad from good ones. But the fact that we're even here on this earth is just a roll of the dice anyway. Do you really think the slavemasters had me in mind when they were doing what they did? They had no consideration for me, nor my ancestors. So why owe them or their descendants anything at all, much less gratitude. No offence to y'all descendants. fuck, i prolly have a little slavemaster in me anyway. in fact I do; my great-grandfather was a plantation owner, but i'm just making a point.

Post edited at 12:39 pm on Aug. 19, 2008 by The Artful Dodger

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 12:30 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:20 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from summababy93 at 12:15 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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I agree with KweenZ. Africa was doing just fine, they didnt need anyones help.  Back then it was a very successful.  YOu should really know the facts before you talk about this stuff.

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Not really.

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 No.  He's right.  The superior technology and highly organized governmental structure of the African people is what allowed them to so successfully repel the Europeans.  The Africans had guns, cannons, warships, and highly structured empires while the tribal Europeans had only sub-standard Iron-age close combat weapons and hide armor.  

 Or was that the other way around...

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First off im a female, but anyway.
They had kingdoms -- which means no need for a western governmental structure which they still try to impose on everyone to this day. And who says that highly advanced WEAPONS make for a great country? I think weapons are one of the number one problems in the world now so I think Africans had the right idea. They obviously werent concerned about devastating mankind for their own financial gain as much as your beloved white man was

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where in any of this has he professed a love for the white man?

ok so they had different priorities, if that is what you want to believe than peachy.

I still would like you to explain why the statement made in the OP is false?

Given everything that HAS occured, Black people in america at this precise moment in time are better off than black people in the majority if not the entirety of Africa.

True or False?

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Everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and you who have no money
come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk without money and
without cost.-Isaiah 55:1
www.wateringmalawi.com

You can't have kingdoms without militarism.  Either they were peace loving and without highly developed governmental structure or they were warlike with structured kingdoms.  You can't have it both ways.

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"It is the wrong question to ask, and therefore, as one  might expect, has
no right answer." - Hans von Campenhausen

This is the philosophy of my life.

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You really dont get it. Africa has so many problems now because of the influence of other countries. To this very day people are still exploiting africa. Its not a barren waste land, if it was no one would be there! Africa was once full of successfull and intelligent people. They had there own kindoms, languages, and beliefs. They were doing just fine on their very own. Yes i do not know whether they would have failed or not. In my opinion if they were bound to have failed let them have done it on their own. They couldnt have been in a much worse situation then they are in now.

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First off, if Africa were a barren wasteland, that doesn't mean that no one would live there. By your logic, no one should live in ghettos either.
Second, this topic was not about how it affected the Africans in Africa, it is about Africans in America.

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Sexual innuendo.

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Quote: from KweenZ at 2:34 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 12:30 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:20 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from summababy93 at 12:15 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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I agree with KweenZ. Africa was doing just fine, they didnt need anyones help. Back then it was a very successful. YOu should really know the facts before you talk about this stuff.

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Not really.

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  No. He's right. The superior technology and highly organized governmental structure of the African people is what allowed them to so successfully repel the Europeans. The Africans had guns, cannons, warships, and highly structured empires while the tribal Europeans had only sub-standard Iron-age close combat weapons and hide armor.

  Or was that the other way around...

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 First off im a female, but anyway.  
 They had kingdoms -- which means no need for a western governmental structure which they still try to impose on everyone to this day. And who says that highly advanced WEAPONS make for a great country? I think weapons are one of the number one problems in the world now so I think Africans had the right idea. They obviously werent concerned about devastating mankind for their own financial gain as much as your beloved white man was

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where in any of this has he professed a love for the white man?  

ok so they had different priorities, if that is what you want to believe than peachy.  

I still would like you to explain why the statement made in the OP is false?  

Given everything that HAS occured, Black people in america at this precise moment in time are better off than black people in the majority if not the entirety of Africa.

True or False?

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true, but considering the facts, would africa b in the staye it is in if ppl didnt fuck around wit it?

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either way i, don't wanna wake up from you. . .  

because of the lazyness in our hearts, we attempt to find an easier way... slavery was a pretty good suggestion for the europeans,.

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where in any of this has he professed a love for the white man?    

ok so they had different priorities, if that is what you want to believe than peachy.    

I still would like you to explain why the statement made in the OP is false?    

Given everything that HAS occured, Black people in america at this precise moment in time are better off than black people in the majority if not the entirety of Africa.

True or False?  

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true, but considering the facts, would africa b in the staye it is in if ppl didnt fuck around wit it?

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again, what does that have to do with the premise of the OP?

he is not claiming that it was not detrimental for Africa, nor that they deserved to be taken from Africa, and he acknowledges the terrible way in which africans were treated.

We have NO way of knowing what Africa would be like today without the interference of Europe. That sort of speculation has nothing to do with the OP which is perfectly accurate in what it states.

Post edited at 12:47 pm on Aug. 19, 2008 by barnabas

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Everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and you who have no money
come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk without money and
without cost.-Isaiah 55:1
www.wateringmalawi.com

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Quote: from KweenZ at 2:34 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 12:30 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:20 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from summababy93 at 12:15 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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I agree with KweenZ. Africa was doing just fine, they didnt need anyones help. Back then it was a very successful. YOu should really know the facts before you talk about this stuff.

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Not really.

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  No. He's right. The superior technology and highly organized governmental structure of the African people is what allowed them to so successfully repel the Europeans. The Africans had guns, cannons, warships, and highly structured empires while the tribal Europeans had only sub-standard Iron-age close combat weapons and hide armor.

  Or was that the other way around...

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 First off im a female, but anyway.  
 They had kingdoms -- which means no need for a western governmental structure which they still try to impose on everyone to this day. And who says that highly advanced WEAPONS make for a great country? I think weapons are one of the number one problems in the world now so I think Africans had the right idea. They obviously werent concerned about devastating mankind for their own financial gain as much as your beloved white man was

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where in any of this has he professed a love for the white man?  

ok so they had different priorities, if that is what you want to believe than peachy.  

I still would like you to explain why the statement made in the OP is false?  

Given everything that HAS occured, Black people in america at this precise moment in time are better off than black people in the majority if not the entirety of Africa.

True or False?

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True.
But the "majority" of africa wouldnt necessarily be in the situation they are in if everything that had occured hadnt. And the only people to blame for what HAS OCCURED is the westerners [so why would you fucking thank them?] And still thats the bottom line, Theres no way that you are going to get any decent person to believe that black people should be thankful for hundreds of years of abuse and cruelty no matter what kind of empty logic you try to use..


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Who said that they did?  What I said, if you can recall that far, is that the modern American black man is better off than the modern African black man as a direct result of the slave trade?  How can you dispute that?  More speculative or revisionist history?  It won't fly with a history student.

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"It is the wrong question to ask, and therefore, as one  might expect, has
no right answer." - Hans von Campenhausen

This is the philosophy of my life.

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Quote: from summababy93 at 2:40 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

  where in any of this has he professed a love for the white man?    

  ok so they had different priorities, if that is what you want to believe than peachy.    

  I still would like you to explain why the statement made in the OP is false?    

  Given everything that HAS occured, Black people in america at this precise moment in time are better off than black people in the majority if not the entirety of Africa.

  True or False?  

 true, but considering the facts, would africa b in the staye it is in if ppl didnt fuck around wit it?

again, what does that have to do with the premise of the OP?

he is not claiming that it was not detrimental for Africa, nor that they deserved to be taken from Africa, and he acknowledges the terrible way in which africans were treated.

We have NO way of knowing what Africa would be like today without the interference of Europe. That sort of speculation has nothing to do with the OP which is perfectly accurate in what it states.

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Ugh just shut the fuck up.
You and the OP both disgust me.

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True.
But the "majority" of africa wouldnt necessarily be in the situation they are in if everything that had occured hadnt. And the only people to blame for what HAS OCCURED is the westerners [so why would you fucking thank them?] And still thats the bottom line, Theres no way that you are going to get any decent person to believe that black people should be thankful for hundreds of years of abuse and cruelty no matter what kind of empty logic you try to use..  

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Where in the original post did it say that anyone in Africa should be thanking the slave owners? African Americans =/= Africans in Africa.

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Sexual innuendo.

I'm so glad literacy on LiveWire hasn't completely died.

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"It is the wrong question to ask, and therefore, as one  might expect, has
no right answer." - Hans von Campenhausen

This is the philosophy of my life.

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Quote: from barnabas at 12:37 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from KweenZ at 2:34 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 12:30 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:20 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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Quote: from summababy93 at 12:15 pm on Aug. 19, 2008

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I agree with KweenZ. Africa was doing just fine, they didnt need anyones help.  Back then it was a very successful.  YOu should really know the facts before you talk about this stuff.

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Not really.

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  No.  He's right.  The superior technology and highly organized governmental structure of the African people is what allowed them to so successfully repel the Europeans.  The Africans had guns, cannons, warships, and highly structured empires while the tribal Europeans had only sub-standard Iron-age close combat weapons and hide armor.    

  Or was that the other way around...

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  First off im a female, but anyway.
  They had kingdoms -- which means no need for a western governmental structure which they still try to impose on everyone to this day. And who says that highly advanced WEAPONS make for a great country? I think weapons are one of the number one problems in the world now so I think Africans had the right idea. They obviously werent concerned about devastating mankind for their own financial gain as much as your beloved white man was

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 where in any of this has he professed a love for the white man?

 ok so they had different priorities, if that is what you want to believe than peachy.

 I still would like you to explain why the statement made in the OP is false?

 Given everything that HAS occured, Black people in america at this precise moment in time are better off than black people in the majority if not the entirety of Africa.  

 True or False?

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True.
But the "majority" of africa wouldnt necessarily be in the situation they are in if everything that had occured hadnt. And the only people to blame for what HAS OCCURED is the westerners [so why would you fucking thank them?] And still thats the bottom line, Theres no way that you are going to get any decent person to believe that black people should be thankful for hundreds of years of abuse and cruelty no matter what kind of empty logic you try to use..

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thank you. The choices of the past are still effecting the black comunity of today.  So I see no reason for me to be greatful.

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You can be a sweet dream or a beautiful nightmare
either way i, don't wanna wake up from you. . .