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You might want to add that in the state of california they take 3% of the total bill (i am not sure if it includes the tip as well) and the server has to pay that to a tip share to the bus boys, takeaway, and hosts.

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It varies everywhere, both between states and separate establishments.  There's no single way restaurants deal with tips and distributing commission or whatever between their bussers, hosts, cooks, etc.

Since I'm a pizza delivery driver, I won't speak on behalf of the restaurant industry, though I do know as much of what I said.  At least for pizza delivery, it's fairly uniform, at least among the Big 3 (Pizza Hut, Domino's, and Papa John's).  Independent and smaller chains tend to differ somewhat slightly, too.

Either way, it's obviously a good idea to tip everywhere, even outside of the United States in countries where tipping is not the norm. Tipping Americans is one of the major reasons why foreigners love American tourists so much (in the industries that benefit from the tipping, that is).

Post edited at 5:13 am on Aug. 19, 2008 by Bud2400

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lol  

I dont agree with all that  

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That black people don't tip?

For those who don't agree and don't want to read everything, I'll make it short and quick.

Observe:

And try to tell me that black people collectively tip like whites and other races.

Post edited at 5:17 am on Aug. 19, 2008 by Bud2400

What point are you trying to prove? Other than trying to alienate the black people, for yet another thing.

I don't really see this as anything but trying to pigeon hole an entire race, so that people look a bit more suspiciously at them when they walk in to a restaurant.

Pathetic.

Post edited at 5:21 am on Aug. 19, 2008 by Wakeupcall

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I'm English, and have worked as a waitor for a while. I don't know whether your graph is simply for the US, but unless you really (unnecessarily) looked in to it like that, black people and their tipping isn't at the foremost of my problems. I simply looked at the people tipping, rather than their race.

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It's data I've collected in my own delivery area, so yes, it's US specific only.  More specifically, Seattle area specific.

I try to look at it like that, too.  I've mentioned throughout that monster of a post that Americans see things in terms of race far too much.  But you know, when you notice a certain group of people not tipping you like everybody else, looking for reasons - more specifically their own characteristics - as to why they don't tip you is quite natural.

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What point are you trying to prove, other than trying to alienate the black people, for yet another thing.

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So you're accusing me of alienating black people simply because I have shown that they, as a whole, tip like shit compared to other races?

I've mentioned an anecdote of where some black people have tipped me great amounts, such as this one gentleman who tipped me $10 and told me that he tips as much as he does because he was once a waiter, knows how black people as a whole tip, and wants to "make up" for them.

Your accusations of me trying to alienate an entire group of people are unfounded.  If I tried that, I wouldn't taken any care to mention that these are merely general tendencies, and that such rules cannot be applied to individuals so easily.  If such happens through reading my post, that is the fault of the reader, not my own.  I'm merely trying to highlight an issue, show that my claims exist, and talk about it openly.

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I don't really see this as anything but trying to pigeon hole an entire race, so that people look a bit more suspiciously at them when they walk in to a restaurant.

Pathetic.

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You clearly haven't read my entire post, have you?

I suggest taking some time to find out what exactly I'm talking about and what my positions are before trying to attack me.

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Quote: from Wakeupcall at 5:17 am on Aug. 19, 2008

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I'm English, and have worked as a waitor for a while. I don't know whether your graph is simply for the US, but unless you really (unnecessarily) looked in to it like that, black people and their tipping isn't at the foremost of my problems. I simply looked at the people tipping, rather than their race.

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It's data I've collected in my own delivery area, so yes, it's US specific only. More specifically, Seattle area specific.

I try to look at it like that, too. I've mentioned throughout that monster of a post that Americans see things in terms of race far too much. But you know, when you notice a certain group of people not tipping you like everybody else, looking for reasons - more specifically their own characteristics - as to why they don't tip you is quite natural.

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What point are you trying to prove, other than trying to alienate the black people, for yet another thing.

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So you're accusing me of alienating black people simply because I have shown that they, as a whole, tip like shit compared to other races?

I've mentioned an anecdote of where some black people have tipped me great amounts, such as this one gentleman who tipped me $10 and told me that he tips as much as he does because he was once a waiter, knows how black people as a whole tip, and wants to "make up" for them.

Your accusations of me trying to alienate an entire group of people are unfounded. If I tried that, I wouldn't taken any care to mention that these are merely general tendencies, and that such rules cannot be applied to individuals so easily. If such happens through reading my post, that is the fault of the reader, not my own. I'm merely trying to highlight an issue, show that my claims exist, and talk about it openly.

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Why? What's the point? What kind of dipshit are you?

There IS NO ISSUE.
When someone comes in to a restaurant, look at them as a homo sapien. Not a BLACK PERSON.

There is no point to this post. I see it as racist and unnecessary.

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Why? What's the point? What kind of dipshit are you?

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Clearly, if a group (such as blacks) define themselves in such a way (that they're black people), and tip similarly in a way that is negative to others, I will not hesitate calling them on it.

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There IS NO ISSUE.
When someone comes in to a restaurant, look at them as a homo sapien. Not a BLACK PERSON.

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So you deny that blacks, as a collective whole, in the United States tip any differently than whites, again, as a collective whole?

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There is no point to this post. I see it as racist and unnecessary.

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First accusation of racism!  Thank you.

I want to make a couple points, one to some of the responders, one to the op.
For those who say blacks have less money, so why tip, the answer is because in our culture it  is an expectation.  You pay for food only; service is not included.  So if you've been served, you should pay for that.  If you can't afford a tip, then you can't afford the meal.

To the op, I do understand what you're saying, but I object to you putting yourself in the same category as waiters/waitresses.  You are paid a full wage, albeit minimum wage, it's a full wage.  In house wait staff are usually only paid $2.63/hour.  That's right, that is minimum wage for waitstaff, so they are ENTITLED to a tip.  

You also open a whole pandora's box of who should be tipped.  I certainly think the waitstaff who earn $2.63/hour should be tipped.  But what about the person at Starbucks who makes >$8.00 /hour, and they have their tip jar out there.  Or the person who hands me a slice of pizza and is paid full wage.  We are now seeing tip jars everywhere, and I think its ubiquity distracts from those for whom tips are really intended.

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Quote: from Wakeupcall at 5:27 am on Aug. 19, 2008

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Why? What's the point? What kind of dipshit are you?

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Clearly, if a group (such as blacks) define themselves in such a way (that they're black people), and tip similarly in a way that is negative to others, I will not hesitate calling them on it.
 

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There IS NO ISSUE.  
 When someone comes in to a restaurant, look at them as a homo sapien. Not a BLACK PERSON.

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So you deny that blacks, as a collective whole, in the United States tip any differently than whites, again, as a collective whole?  

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There is no point to this post. I see it as racist and unnecessary.

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First accusation of racism! Thank you.

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Clearly this fuck of a post demonstrates that, as a whole, blacks do tip less. But that does not define an individual black person. So again (and you still have not answered this)

What is the point of this post?
What do you suggest we do about it?

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This is a very interesting post and one which backs what a lot of waitstaff, including Blacks have anecdotally noted for years. Also, but to a less degree, women tend to tip much less than men. And female servers tend to be tipped less than male servers in the same restaurants.

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I do have statistics on who's male and who's female, but I have not had the energy to organize and analyze it after doing all that for race and socioeconomic classes.  I may just force myself to do it one of these days.

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To the op, I do understand what you're saying, but I object to you putting yourself in the same category as waiters/waitresses. You are paid a full wage, albeit minimum wage, it's a full wage.

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I, at least, am, though do bear in mind that delivery driver around the US that don't have such strict labor laws are being stuck to the old national minimum wages as they rise.  Many are now making $5.15 - $5.85 an hour, which, while it's not as low as servers, is sub-minimum wage for many nonetheless.

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In house wait staff are usually only paid $2.63/hour. That's right, that is minimum wage for waitstaff, so they are ENTITLED to a tip.

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Do realize that servers can also gather tips much faster than delivery drivers can.  All servers I know make far more in tips than I ever will, although I don't really complain.  I'm just simply stating that servers and pizza delivery drivers are both tipped professions and that people should tip both of them.

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You also open a whole pandora's box of who should be tipped. I certainly think the waitstaff who earn $2.63/hour should be tipped. But what about the person at Starbucks who makes >$8.00 /hour, and they have their tip jar out there. Or the person who hands me a slice of pizza and is paid full wage. We are now seeing tip jars everywhere, and I think its ubiquity distracts from those for whom tips are really intended.

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Again, not every pizza delivery driver is paid a full wage.  In the states where servers are being paid a sub-minimum wage, pizza delivery drivers are likely to be paid at a sub-minimum wage as well.

BTW, tip jars are ridiculous.  Did you know that you're supposed to tip blackjack dealers, too?  I never saw the reasoning for that, although when tipping is commonplace and expected, I generally follow suit.

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Clearly this fuck of a post demonstrates that, as a whole, blacks do tip less. But that does not define an individual black person. So again (and you still have not answered this)

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It certainly reflects black people, though, and you cannot deny that. If you have a 50% chance of being stiffed by a black person and only about a 10 - 15% chance of being stiffed by any person of any other race, you're certainly going to notice that. I never claimed that it does define the individual black person, and I've made a few paragraphs in the OP explaining that, which you seem to have overlooked. For further reading, I refer you to paragraph #5 of the OP, under the subsection "Another thing to note," as well as the second to last sentence of the OP.

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What is the point of this post?

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I have told you. To highlight the issue that black people collectively tip rather poorly compared to all other races, to back up my assertion with numbers and statistics that I gathered myself, and lastly, to get people to discuss the issue and speculate as to what the problem may be and what can be done about it.

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What do you suggest we do about it?

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Heh, that's what I asked (or rather, encouraged) everyone in the OP. I brought up some things people have suggested the problem may be and what the solutions could be taken, and I disproved a couple of them, but for the most part, I left that question in the air because I honestly have no answers and am not about to pretend as if I do. I only have evidence that the issue exists.  The question as to what should be done is more complicated than you might think and why I'd appreciate other peoples' opinions.

Post edited at 6:32 am on Aug. 19, 2008 by Bud2400

I do realize that waitstaff can collect tips much faster than a delivery person. What I'm saying is although you are in a poorly paying job, it does pay minimum wage and in fact, contrary to your op, the price of delivery does cover your wages. This is not the case with wait staff. Although I always tip the delivery person, I don't consider it necessary, whereas I do consider tipping wairstaff necessary, as their service is not included in the price of the meal.

I think there are times when a tip is common, but optional, such as a delivery person, and times when a tip should not be considered optional, such as a delivery person.

Post edited at 6:12 am on Aug. 19, 2008 by rijames99

And this is what's wrong with the whole pc movement and how it prevents intelligent exchange of thought. Although I don't agree with all the op has posted, he presented some interesting information and has asked to open a discussion about it.
Your knee jerk accusation that it is racist shuts down any chance at an intelligent conversation. That one points out a particular issue about a certain demographic, does not make it a racist/sexist/?ist topic.
For example, say a study was done that shows most crime is committed my males. Would it be sexist to open a discussion as to why males commit a disproportionate amount of crime? of course not. But when the subject is a politically protected class, then all of a sudden we have to ignore the facts, lest we be accused of being "racist" for engaging in intelligent discourse. And thus, the dumbing down of society.

Post edited at 6:11 am on Aug. 19, 2008 by rijames99